Yeah that’d be a lot easier if you weren’t trying to feed people bullshit.
Saying that unvaccinated people are walking cesspool is easily the most ignorant thing I’ve ever heard, especially with you being in the medical field.
So if someone doesn’t get vaccinated for measles, is never even exposed to measles (as most aren’t), how would that make them dirty?
Know what’s actually a cesspool? My daycare, filled with FULLY VACCINATED children, who all get sick and share more germs than you’ve probably seen (yes, even knowing your profession, I mean that literally). Every kid. All 36 doses. Walking petri dishes. They could visit a relative in the hospital, carry all kinds of different strains of bugs.
After work I change my clothes, because they’re germy, I’m 100% vaccinated. Still a cesspool.
I think the detail that is missing in this argument at this point is that the “cesspool” that is daycare is communicable diseases that aren’t likely deadly. It’s the same in animal medicine, so I feel like I can speak about this in an informed way.
A dog that goes into a boarding kennel with full vaccines is still extremely susceptible to upper respiratory infections, otherwise known as Kennel Cough (as I understand there’s about a million different strains of influenza and the like). I’ve seen probably 500 dogs come in with URI after boarding. They maybe get some antibiotics, cough suppressants, and they go home. I’ve never seen one hospitalized. I’ve never seen one die. However, the puppy that goes and sees a friend’s family where their dogs “never leave the back yard” and are not vaccinated, dies of parvo a week later. Not only dies but internally explodes and sheds the virus EVERYWHERE, to the point where some clinics will not admit the dog because it is so dangerous. Parvovirus lives in the soil. I assume that some human viruses probably have some really fucked up means of survival as well. So even if the dogs the puppy visited REALLY AREN’T around other dogs, it doesn’t matter. Now that puppy has picked up parvo and shed it EVERYWHERE. And now all those unvaccinated dogs have a 50/50 chance of surviving. And the dog with kennel cough rests for a week and is fine.
If my kids would have picked up something at the NICU from a nurse that refused vaccines, I would have sued the hospital for everything it was worth. Not a common cold, although that could have been deadly as well, but something worse— something preventable— oh yeah, I would have been on dateline. So I can see why hospitals wouldn’t hire individuals that were not vaccinated. How the hell could you put patients with suppressed immune systems in with staff that are more likely to contract a disease that could kill them? ESPECIALLY since that staff specifically deals with the sick?
That’s like hiring a fat cop, feeding him donuts, and then being shocked when he can’t run down a serial killer.
The medical personnel being vaccinated isn’t what I’m debating. Its the “unvaccinated are dirty” logic that is flawed.
I am not vaccinated against small pox (nor is the rest of my generation), that does not mean I should be quarantined because I could be somehow carrying a virus I’ve NEVER EVEN COME IN CONTACT WITH.
My kids will definitely not be vaccinated against measles, doesn’t mean they’re miraculously carrying a dormant measles virus.
I don’t understand how being unvaccinated means you’re all the sudden carrying all the illnesses you’re not vaccinated against? That doesn’t even make sense.
Non vaxers aren’t stupid. A lot of research goes into this decision, much more than those who get told “this is the schedule” and just accept that. Most people (even those who do vax their kids) have a general knowledge of keeping contagious illness contained. If my kid got the measles, my first thought wouldn’t be “oh, you’re fine, no fever so you’re going to daycare”.
But since this is some how related to hospitals, can we go a head acknowledge that hospitals are where really sick people go frequently, sooo I think people would more likely get sick from a fellow sick person vs an unvaccinated nurse…
You’re kinda missing the point. By being unvaccinated you could pick up a deadly disease that you normally wouldn’t pick up if you were vaccinated. You might not get that sick from it but if you pass it around to a very young child or elderly person or someone’s who immunocompromised, it all of the sudden becomes a huge problem because those people also spread it. These diseases aren’t completely wiped out. They hide in places like soil and oceans and various other common places and vaccinated people don’t pick them up because they’re protected but they could reappear at any time and become an epidemic amongst those that aren’t vaccinated or can’t be vaccinated. We don’t fear their reappearance because vaccinations are widely accepted but if that stops being the case, it only takes one person getting the disease and spreading it for it to become a massive problem.
Also, a lot of parents are stupid and will send their kid to daycare or school when they’re sick. I think you’re vastly underestimating the general education level of people in the US. Hell, the NY Times is written to like, a fifth grade reading level because that’s generally how smart our country is. And as sad as it is, that’s the reality so to assume parents wont send their sick kid to school is ignorant.